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we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this point? >> conservative groups lashed out. >>
is going to give and what his client's not going to give. we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything
. the president has said here is what i'm offering. listening to those clips of john boehner and listening to the congresswoman, all of those talking points sound very familiar. they sound a lot like the arguments that mitt romney was making during the campaign that americans roundly rejected. for them to cling to that rhetoric doesn't make sense. they've had time to make their case and they're losing american people. the president has been very firm from the beginning, he's been very consistent across the board with members of congress, the business community, progressive leaders, you name it, all the different folks he's brought in to talk about this, he's been very consistent. he's not playing a game and i think you got a taste of that yesterday in his remarks to the business roundtable. he's not kidding. he's put some serious things on the table, he's put his plans out there, it's balanced, there's spending, he's willing to make a deal but he is not willing to have any kind of conversation that does not include raising rates and he's unwilling to put raising the debt ceiling in as part
after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner held a press conference, and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupling that 98% from the richest 2%, and he gave a pessimistic assessment of the situation. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joy on this thing because you and i often agree. if we don't, we don't, and we'll live with that. but this whole thing here, i think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. there's something about dedu
between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama and democrats stake their claim on the middle class. and my tax rate flexibility with higher -- here's what the president said earlier today. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevent prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> we look back republican senator rand paul from the state of kentucky. senator paul, welcome, as always. i want to ask you about the fiscal cliff, the state of play. there's revenues on the table. there's tax rate increases on the table. i don't know if there's spending on the table. what's your thinking prigt now? >
that happened today. john boehner, the speaker of the house, sent a message that a deal was in the works. he threw several house members off of key committees when they criticized him openly for looking like he was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in the works and we're heading in that direction. what i'm not sure of is whether the market will go up on this, necessarily. >> in terms of that january effect, bob, does that even matter this year? >> yes, look, it's not long from anybody, january and february are the best months of the year. that's a factor. >> let me ask you about putting money to work, keith springer. you say we're going to get a deal regardless. we may get a deal regardless, but that deal means probably higher taxes and lower spending. what are the areas in the economy in your view that get impacted most by a dea
to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to more from harry reid about the democrats stance on this. >> we are ready to protect middle class families by freezing the tax rates for the first $250,000 and letting the rates go to the same level they were during
the president was finished, john boehner held a press conference. he gave a pessimistic assessment of the negotiations. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sum one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for not even $4 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joe jan on this thing because you and i often agree. this whole thing here, i just think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. i mean they're talking about deductions and all this finesse, they lost this debate. if there was any issue that came out, the president was dead right. he mads he statement clear. the public wants to have some tax f
finding a deal. john boehner is serious about revenue. he'll get a lot of push-back but a lot of republicans will rally about john boehner about limiting deductions to raise somewhere between $700 billion and $800 billion in revenue. and i bet you this-- if you took the president's plan and put it on the floor of the house and senate, he would get very few votes for his plan. >> schieffer: so you're sag you think that both sides-- and this is my fries that both sides would actually be stupid enough to let us go over this fiscal cliff because they can't come to some kind of a compromise? >> i would just say this, that my side knows we lost the election, and we're willing to put revenue on the today that will get some political heat for people like me. that is movement in a positive way. republicans should do revenue. we're willing to do it in a smart way. if you raise tax rates, you get capitol hill four help billion in revenue, and you hurt job creation. if you limit deductions at about $40,000, $50,000 per person, you prevent the middle class and get about $800 billion in rev
to agree with the rest. >> john boehner earthed republicans to stick together during a closed door meeting before publicly pushing back against his colleague's comments. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. the goal here is to grow the economy and control spending. you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses or hurt our economy. >> meanwhile, president obama is again stepping into defend susan rice who was locked in a face-to-face power struggle with republicans on capitol hill for the second straight day. as nbc's andrea mitchell reports, it's not getting any easier for the women many believe who will be nominated for the next secretary of state. >> the primary purpose from my perspective -- >> with hillary clinton nodding approval, the president sent a strong message to the republicans, don't mess with my u.n. ambassador. rice a welcomed signal that her nomination is still alive despite another brutal day on capitol hill. >> the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a
john boehner. the reason they're here and want their voices heard if, indeed, this worst-case scenario happens, this fiscal cliff as we've been calling it, it will impact their state's economies. according to the ppew report, these states rely on federal money. things like education would be impacted. they're here to put pressure not only on the president but lawmakers up on the hill to get this deal done. >> takes place in about an hour. dan loathian, reporting from th white house. >>> nearly 15 million households rely on food stamps. republicans say it's far too many. it's government assistance out of control. certainly a major theme during the republican primary. >> president obama has been historically the most effective food stamp president in american histor history. >> in light of the continuing controversy over food stamps, new jersey democratic mayor cory book booker will live on food stamps saying, quote, nutrition is not a responsibility of the government. >> as you mentioned this all sort of began as a back and forth on twitter. we'll get to that in detail in a moment. firs
. that's what house speaker john boehner told fellow republicans during a weekly meeting, signaling he will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one
of representatives if john boehner would allow such a bill to be brought to the house floor for a vote. here is boehner speaking about the president earlier today. >> members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> speaker boehner doesn't want to propose spending cuts, so now he's trying to pressure the white house to do it. >> there's been no serious discussion of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there's a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. >> a reporter asked senate majority leader harry reid about speaker boehner's comments. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> and, of course, another day more republicans dumping grover norquist. among nebraska and is iowa republicans, most of them told the world herald this week they could support a broad budget agreement, even if the deal en
are going to face and for all that john boehner talks about the rich and rich and trying to blunt that charge, it doesn't get him out of the fundamental trap of rates are going to go up on the rich. there's nothing he can bargain, there's no price he's looking to exact in reference to what luke said in exchange for that rate going up on the rich. so the problem is, it's going to go up on january 1st unless they essentially fold. the problem for republicans isn't sort of the size of the revenue or what they get in exchange, but just the fact that they as republicans don't believe they can get away with raising taxes and keep their seats and playcate grover norquist. >> they will have to go home and explain to their constituents, many middle class people why they didn't defend them, why they basically put protecting the 2% over protecting the middle class. that is not a position you want to be in at christmas time. >> luke, the democrats will have to give up something, are they not? we know look, the republicans don't have a lot of leverage here, but if they're going to take the deb
john boehner had held a press conference and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupled that 98% from the richest 2% and he gave a pessimistic assessment of the situation. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joy on this thing because you and i often agree. if we don't, we don't and we'll live with that. but this whole thing here, i think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. there's something about deductions and all this finesse. they lost the debate
the retreats. >> run the retreats? >> john boehner -- >> you're getting in deeper and deeper. >> they run the caucus meetings every week. she runs the caucus, decides which speakers come in. vice chair of the caucus, lynn jenkins, virginia fox -- >> what's a more important position, chairman and vice chairman of the caucus or speaker of the house -- >> or committee chair. >> any of the committees. >> caucus chairman trumps the committee chairmanship. i've been both. i've been in the leadership and i've been a committee chair. look, you only had one woman in contentious for committee chairmanship, candace miller. they're knife fights. when the caucus was allowed to speak, they elected -- they selected the woman. unfortunately, you know -- >> a bloomberg article points out uncomfortable optics, the white republican house is going to present. quote, the visuals will be striking when the house debates whether to overhaul the country's tax code and consider ways to keep the costs in social security and medicare under control. white males of the republican party will be arguing to reduce benefi
't want anything to do with geithner's plan. yesterday, john boehner moved the markets higher. it was joyful talk about a possible deal, but today, it was like a break-up over tax. he went from love to disgust. here he is right after tim geithner put that deal on the table. >> no progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> all right. that's pretty grim. stocks lost early games on that news and the day went downhill. harry reid slapped back. >> still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. >> so they agree on something. no progress. but then it actually went beyond that. reid got a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him, okay? >> funny, but really not so funny. so what happens when the men in charge start throwing sand in the sand box? we just go over the cliff like some are now suggesting? recall what erskine bowles said two weeks ago. >> i think that's crazy. you know, why would you bet the country? really bet the country by going over this fiscal cliff. >> crazy? betting the c
to medicare and other entitlement programs. today john boehner basically said, go fish. >> was not a serious proposal. and so, right now, we're almost nowhere. >> just when we needed someone to not say hey, mom, he was nasty so i can be, too. boehner, like geithner, leapt to the extreme. republicans, the best response to a nonstarter could be to put a real thoughtful compromise deal on the table. an alternative. and as for mr. geithner, he wasn't alone either. remember, mr. president, the promise you made during the campaign? >> the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 of additional revenue. >> 2.5 to 1. that means you'd need $4 trillion in spending cuts to match the $1.6 trillion in additional revenue. but you only offered $400 billion, which, of course is $3.6 trillion short before you even get to the stimulus plan and other spending items. ethan pollak, steven moore, you guys ready to play? >> sure. >> we are. >> i know you spoke to our producer today and he seems to think nobody can beat him at this game. the best in the world. let's get straight to it. steven, a few weeks
of the miscall cliff is coming. house speaker john boehner in an exclusive interview with "fox news sunday" saying, "we're nowhere" in fiscal cliff talks with democrats. treasury secretary tim geithner saying and telling chris wallace republicans must accept the tax hikes for the wealthy to reach a deal. a deal is what we are after. peter doocy live in washington with more. peter, tell us first, speaker boehner -- the big problem right now with the white house proposal that was just presented. >> jamie, speaker boehner says he was flabbergasted when the treasury secretary geithner came to capitol hill and told him what the president wants. and this is why. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in ten years. twice as much as he has been asking for in public. he had stimulus spending in here that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: secretary geithner says the white house $4 trillion plan has 2 to 1 ratio of cuts to spending increases. but everything we heard from speaker boehner suggests the $1.6 tri
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hear from house speaker john boehner after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. that is followed by house democratic leaders after their meeting. then, senate democrats explain what they're looking for in negotiations with republicans. friday on "washington journal," a congressional this story and gives a history of the filibuster rule in the senate and explains the changes senate leader harry reid is pursuing. then austin tell us less starting at 7:00 eastern on c-span. -- washington journal is live at 7:00 eastern on c-span. >> we had 2000 flag officers and generals. today we had one dozen flak officers and generals. the ratio is out of whack. it is not a captain, and a battle of. we look at where we can not only save the money, but we can transfer responsibilities at of the pentagon and consolidate programs and serious significant amount of money. >> this weekend you can talk about tom coburn above the fiscal cliff and the republican party in "in the." on c-span 2. >> his comments, the same day timothy geithner made the rounds on capitol hill, visiting with h
democrats say we are willing to go over the cliff, you have to think wow, this isn't going to happen. john boehner has said we are putting the $800 billion on the table but we are going to aim it at the rich. yesterday the president offered the outlines of a deal that might work with the republicans. and that is raise the rates now and engage in the conversations next year on tax deductions and loop holes. and that is called base broadening. and that has been attached to lowering the rates. so what the president is saying, there is a way that we could raise the rates, we could lower them back down again next year. do you think they are over playing their hand here? i think that there are people around the president who are more interested or have a strong interest in using this as a way to humiliate republicans and pushing them to the brink. we'll have to wait and see how it plays out. there is a danger in second term of excessive pride. let's see this play out more. i believe they have enough to go into privategotiationnegotiatio. he is the leader of the people. they need to get off of th
on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint economic committee hearing. they're going to hear from a top economist not only about the jobs numbers coming out tomorrow but also about what can be done to avoid this issue at the end of the year. >> tracie potts for us in washington. thank you. >>> last night on the ed show, steny hoyer explains why he thinks the debt ceiling vote should be taken off the table. >> the debt ceiling is a phone y vote, frankly. and from time to time democrats have made it an item that they demagogue down and the republicans have demagogued on it, as well. the debt lim
criticized john boehner. john boehner should not be concerned about losing his job. he should be concerned about doing his job. his job is that of the american people. i do not want to get caught up in the sound bites. at least bring some kind of leverage, some kind of balance to this crisis. host: "in new york times" this morning -- guest: what does he have to negotiate? there are three options. you could allow the tax cuts to expire december 31. you can cancel some or all of the tax increases and spending. that would accelerate a dive back into a great recession or depression. in the first quarter, we would have very little difficulty in distinguishing ourselves from the crisis that is in gulf and europe and especially greece. the other thing we could do is come to a midline course of action where you could actually -- what can you minimally due to cut spending? what can you minimally due to have shared sacrifice so everyone is sacrificing something in this game? the other thing we don't talk about -- the interest rates on the deficit have been the lowest in 200 years. if we went back to
're never going to embrace that. >> but john boehner yesterday moved two tea party people off the budget committee. >> he better be careful because he could get fired very easily. >> i saw yesterday on twitter already there was a fire boehner -- >> he almost got fired last year. >> he's been on the bubble for some time now. although, i'm under the impression and reporting has suggested that the relationship between the two camps has gotten better. but clearly if you're eric cantor, why wouldn't you want to be speaker of the house? >> all right. >> all right. you guys are -- were you okay in the green room? nobody separated you two, did they? it was a civil? >> no, we get along. >> in the green room -- >> any bagels in there for you guys? >> no, we don't eat bagels. >> guys on monday got bagels. >> the bagels were there? >> it's all good. >> i judge what we think -- >> i'm jewish, when i walk into a room, i immediately know if there are bagels. >> did you get a tree? >> a holiday tree? >> yeah. >> you do? >> my wife says no, they're too messy. >> the christmas tree is the celebration of s
with house speaker john boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of six-three, i believe, and they will say that is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> they decided on the indiana case, it was constitutional for them to establish id they did not say all of that was subsequently -- >> they talked about indiana. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people voter i.d. loss disproportionately affect minorities -- implies to me that somehow we have something missing in our brain. as -- if white americans can get id to vote and go through all the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that somehow they are not good enough? that is what bothers me about a lot of the rhetoric coming from democrats and the left. we always have to make -- there has to be a special mass when we deal with minorities because they are too feeble minded. we really need to make concessions for them because they cannot follow the rules lik
geithner, but john boehner in an exclusive interview at the top of the hour, these are the two point men. boehner representing house republicans and any bill is going to have to get through them and geithner representing the president. you're exactly right. when geithner presented his plan to mcconnell, mcconnell says he burst out laughing and boehner you'll hear at the top of the hour, one of the words he uses is flabbergasted. what they were shocked at not that the president was going to call for more tax increases, he campaigned on that, but he came in with such a small set of spending cuts, about 600 billion dollars total in entitlement cuts and spending cuts and also had a demand that congress would give up any say from now on forever in raising the debt limit, which of course has always been a tool of congress, both democrats and republicans have used to oppose the president's policies or to demand if you're going to raise the debt limit increase spending cuts as well. boehner said there's absolutely a nonstarter. they're in a stalemate and nowhere and i guess the question is, with
he is not body surfing. he knows he will be tortured and ongoing katrina. john boehner is frustrated after a closed door meeting with geithner. >> eric: brian's point, vacation is on because president obama knows he has a deal. >> dana: i don't think -- well, one, the present doesn't have a spending cut plan. why is everyone looking at us. where is your plan, sir? now the democrats are starting to realize wait, i think they are on to us. president obama sacrificed going to hawaii with his family. going to stay behind. they will fawn over him for not going to hawaii. >> bob: that happened last year. if you accept the bush tax cut last time. family went off and obama stayed behind. it's time so just accept it. >> brian: it is the same game. the house republican and the senate democrat and president is democrat. >> eric: i can't tell you how many shows i stayed until 11:59, live show for the debt creeling to hit or the government to shut down. government would shut down, 19:55 they fixed it. obama is say nothing, i need more. boehner is saying we are further than we have ever been. >> t
, pennsylvania, the president was demonizing republicans -- shocker. meanwhile, house speaker john boehner seems willing to negotiate, as long as it's in good faith. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's accept to believe you for a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> let's not kid ourselves. i'm willing to move forward in good faith. our original framework still stands. >> andrea: the republican leader mitch mcconnell said he burst in laughter when tim geithner outlined the president's plan. what's next? rush limbaugh and charles krauthammer want republicans to walk away and let obama own the mess. >> the best thing to do is back out of this and let obama and democrats have it and do what you want to do. that will happen anyway. i don't know about you, i don't want my fingerprints on this. >> this is almost unheard of. what do they expect? they think the republicans will cave on everything. i think republicans should walk away. >> eric: so on tuesday, i remember -- >> andrea: i
geithner. they think it's an offer that doesn't show any rules towards compromise. house speaker john boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. there seems to be a huge divide. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans clearly say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. republicans aren't prepared to make a move. unless the democrats are able to give up greater savings in medicare. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible before they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> and democrats seem to be thinking that, if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. do you think that's true? or are democrats overplaying their hands? >> all of the polls show that right now. no one know was the consequences will really be if we go over that fiscal cliff. we know that the tax hikes go up. some estimates -- ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. that would h
details of what house speaker john boehner calls a bold offer. what if we jump off the cliff? we talk about the budget cliff with the ranking member vis van hollen. egypt constitutional crisis goes on. judges from the highest court say they are afraid to do the jobs. "special report" from washington with breaking news from the middle east starts at 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> greg: last week, i went on a tour to promote my book "the joy of hate" which took me from florida, to alabama, and georgia. to tennessee. some call this the south with sarcasm. a buddy of mine gave me flick "deliverance" to watch as a joke. but i freaked out, large crowds with mom for daughters and sons for dads. dads for daughters. so many brought food from pumpkin bread to moonshine. that nearly killed me. more unicorns to shake a horn at. each place i went fan of the five turned on by a parent or their child. this was shared activity, the "the five," "red eye requests ants fnc, key place for families to commiserate. most is over their hatred of jasper. that
accounts. life can be so cruel. i loved the way that he mocked him. meanwhile what is john boehner up to? other than fighting the president on the grand bargain and the so-called fiscal cliff, he said if you do filibuster reform, and you actually can get legislation passed through the senate well, we would hate that because we love gridlock in washington as the republicans right? so he said, if the senate reforms it, the filibuster, we'll block every vote. quote, any bill that reaches the republican-led house based on the senate democrat's heavy handed power play would be dead on arrival. if you thought gridlock was bad before, wait until you get a load of the new gridlock where he would kill every single bill. do you remember what president obama said before the election? i'll remind you don't worry here it comes. my hope, my expectation is that after the election, now that it turns out that the goal beating obama does not make much sense because i'm not running again that we can start getting some cooperation again. hate to do it to you but wrong again, bob. it doesn't look like you're
're notue due back -- not due back until next week. but house speaker john boehner is staying behind, ready to sit down and negotiate with the president. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: president obama is rejecting the republican proposal because it does not raise taxes on households making $250,000 a year. the gop is offering to close tax loopholes and limit deductions instead. >> the revenues on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. >> reporter: they say if the bush-era tax cuts aren't extended for everyone, it will hurt everyone. and they invited people here to make their point. >> reporter: max olson opened an insurance company this year and is concerned he won't be able to add employees. >> you add their payrolls, plus an extra tax amount, then i may not be able to hire them because of it. >> reporter: president obama pressed his case tuesday, with ceos from some of the largest companies. >> i'm here to tell you, nobody wants to get it done more than me. >> reporter: the president wants to raise
hill for high level talks, most notably with house speaker john boehner. >> good morning, everyone. >> how did it go? just listen. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious. about real spending cuts. >> a much gloomier assessment from the initial prethanksgiving huddle at the white house. boehner described his meeting with geithner as frank and direct, the same way he described his phone call with the president the night before. and for the past two weeks there has been no substantive progress. >> most public statements have been optimistic, confident, hopeful. we're all sensing a very different tone from you right now. are you walking away from talks? have things completely broken down? >> no, no, no, no. stop. i'm disappointed in where we are, but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi quickly dismissed boehner's remarks as a negotiating maneuver. >> i think they'll
satellite corp. 2012] >> house speaker john boehner said today he disagrees with a proposal from congressman tom call who suggested he and his gop colleagues should renew middle-class tax cut and allowed the top tax rates to let -- rise. tonight, we speak from -- hear from speaker boehner, house democrats, and president obama on the so-called fiscal clef. later, alan simpson and erskine bowles talk about some of the fiscal choices facing congress. >> the program began under one of the advisers to president franklin roosevelt to document the conditions under which people were living. this was back when we did not have television. we had radio, but a lot of places did not have electricity, so they could not listen to the radio broadcast to find out what was going on in other parts of the country. he was an economist from columbia university. he was the head of this project. in 1939, when kodak introduced color film, they sent him to have his photographers try out, see what they could do. kodak was trying to establish a new market and product, and they wanted people who would know how to use it
as democrats and republicans dig in and ramp up the rhetoric on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid trading jabs before the cameras on capitol hill. >> going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan lothian. dan, we're learning more about the white house plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. break it down for us. >> reporter: right. this is the plan that secretary -- treasury secretary timothy geithner took up to capitol hill yesterday. it calls for $1.6 trillion in tax increases over a ten-year period more than republicans had anticipated. in addition to that, $400 billion in spending cuts that will
reid digging in his heels, referring to house speaker john boehner when asked about the republican's position that the ball is in the democrat's court. he said he doesn't understand his brain. we'll hear what reid's nevada constituents think about the job he's doing. >>> also, could our debt mean the death of the dollar bill? i don't mean the value of the dollar. i mean the actual dollar bill. it may be on the endangered species list. stay with us. back in a moment. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the market, he goes with people he trusts, which is why he trades with a company that doesn't nickel and dime him with hidden fees. so he can worry about other things, like what the market is doing and being ready, no matter what happens, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense, from td ameritrade. >>> welcome back. chevron ceo john watson telling me exclusively today that the second largest u.s. energy company is moving forward on investments despite fiscal cliff concerns. we begin on our conversation, zeroing
on wall street. stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> republicans know where we stand. we've said it, we've said it, we've said it so many times. >> i think all of us today are confident we can reach a bipartisan agreement by christmas time. >> according to congressional republican aides, they say they have obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here. at least $50 billion in new spending. >> do you have faith in any of them to rise above? >> would it be okay to go over? >> we will rise above. >> morgan stanley wealth management's chief investment strategist up next with his list of winners and losers. plus, how you can make money in these shaky markets as the year winds down. >>> later, as lawsuits pile up and hewlett-packard stock suffers, carly fiorina will join me for her first interview since the autonomy disaster came to light. wait until you hear who she says deserves the blame. >>> also, social security an
both. listening to john boehner today and the president, it's pretty clear there's no deal anywhere near being settled here. i don't know about you, i'm just getting really bored with it. why don't they just get round a table and get it done? let me start with you gerri. >> i think the president going to pennsylvania to the tinker toy plant on a campaign stop essentially is probably not going to go over as well as he thinks it does, particularly since we thought we were done with that. we just went through it a few weeks ago. thought campaign stops were over and he inflicts this on us again. the american people expect him to sit down with the republicans in congress and work this out. now, a year ago or so, last year, he agreed to $800 billion in tax hikes. that's kind of where the number was. he comes back with twice that and when he gets obviously a no from republicans, you don't double it and say that's okay. he immediately goes out on the campaign trail so he does need to come back to washington, they need to sit down. that's what the american people expect them to do. >> i mean
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